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jmarkhamLevel 3

Form 461 (Limitation on Business Losses) to ProSeriesDiscussion ongoing

Please add Form 461 (Limitation on Business Losses) to ProSeries. The Cares Act suspended Section 461 (Originally Part of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act) due to the Pandemic for tax years 2018, 2019, and 2020 but is effective again for tax years beginning after 2020 and before 2027 and per the 2021 Recommended Names and Descriptions of PDF Files Defined in MeF Publications, Web Pages and Business Rules (https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-schema/ty2021-bmf-pdf-recommended-file-names-by-form-type.pdf) Form 461 can only be attached to a 2018 return. Currently the Section 461(l) Excess Business Loss adjustment is reported on Schedule 1 Line 8 o (input is on Line 18 of the Other Income Statement). However, there are NO warnings in the REVIEW about the need for Filing Form 461 with a business loss in excess of $262,000(single) or $524,000 (MFJ) flowing to Line 8 of the 1040 (from Line 3 or 5 of Schedule 1). In other words, unless you enter the excess amount on Line 18 of the Other Income Statement the entire loss will flow through to Line 8 of the Tax Return without limitation or warning that this needs to be checked. There is also no calculation of the NOL carryforward of the limited amount (but we can't calculate it yet either because as of 02-14-2022 the IRS has not issued Publication 536 which is where you are directed to go to calculate the carryforward NOL from the Instructions in Form 461 (https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i461.pdf). Update (4-29-2022) Publication 536, now has the NOL calculation worksheet for Section/Form 461 on page 9 of the publication (https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p536.pdf). Now the question is how do you make this work in Proseries, when there is no “Worksheet 3” on the NOL Worksheet inside the ProSeries Software?Finally, if we can't attach Form 461 to the return per 2021 Recommended Names and Descriptions of PDF Files Defined in MeF Publications, Web Pages and Business Rules, shouldn't there be a Review Error message that the Return can't be electronically filed (must be paper filed) because of the entry on Line 8 o of Schedule 1?We are already going to be seriously delayed due to new K-2 and K-3 requirement, why not get Form 461 in an update as soon as possible. The issues of not having this form or appropriate review warning messages is going to cause a huge issue with prepares missing these new business loss limitations.   

kathyssLevel 2

Identifying Returns Affected by ChangesNew

My specific issue has to do with Proseries broken functionality of efiling KCMO RD-109. The efiling broke toward the end of the season without notice from Proseries (efiling looks like it's available but it doesn't efile). After 2 hours and 20 minutes with support it seems that Proseries was unaware of the problem and has little interest in fixing it.I am suggesting that Proseries have a clear and easy way for users who have identified software errors to request that a new analyzer function be added to allow us to easily identify clients potentially affected by the error. If you give me an analyzer that will return a list of all returns containing RD-109 I can compare that list to the list of KC returns successfully efiled and have a relatively small list of remaining returns that may be affected rather than having to open up hundreds of returns to see where the problems are.I am told that they will not do this for a customer -- how about doing it for all customers and all relevant errors and hiccups? Refusing to take the time to help me fix a client service problem that I have due to Intuit's error is, while fairly standard, an abdication of responsibility. Intuit boasts about the time savings they provide and I am grateful for software that is efficient. It's time to start tracking the amount of time spent on this issue and any others for which a supportive solutions or assistance is not provided.