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October 22, 2021

2021 RMD Scenario

  • October 22, 2021
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Had  the following question posed to me from a financial advisor to my tax client and I'm just not sure how to answer it. I have an idea of what to tell them but any sort of enlightenment would be appreciated. Thanks!

"With the law change removing the age limit on Traditional IRA contributions, I should be having you take your 2021 RMD this year, but withhold zero taxes from it, and then essentially deposit the same funds back into your IRA as a 2021 deductible contribution.  Your RMD this year is $6,288.29, so we could essentially fully negate the taxation of it by depositing back in."

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    IRonMaN
    Level 15
    October 22, 2021

    Ignoring any other potential pitfalls in the scenario, are they still earning wages that would allow them to make an IRA contribution?

    Slava Ukraini!
    qbteachmt
    Level 15
    October 23, 2021

    "and then essentially deposit the same funds back into your IRA as a 2021 deductible contribution."

    Don't confuse distribution, rollover and transfer. A contribution has absolutely no bearing on the source of funds.

    Qualifying to make that deduction and qualifying to make an IRA contribution, are each/both subject to yet other separate things that have no bearing on the source of the funds you intend to use for that contribution.

    You have to have earned (wage or working) income to be able to make a contribution, and if you cannot afford to fund that contribution from funds on hand, you then could have sold a kidney, drugs, or taken the RMD as the source of the funds to deposit. That RMD doesn't affect its taxability the way a transfer or rollover might. The RMD is a type of taxable cash inflow, no matter how it gets used.

    There also is no direct correlation between the RMD withholding and the Taxes owed. Each item stands separately. The RMD is taxable; period. The deduction for the IRA contribution might or might not wash away the same amount as the RMD creates. Their 1040 has more than just these two activities, and must have earned income at the least, as a third activity. The withholding on the RMD is nothing more than a prepayment of projected tax liability, the same as wage withholding isn't tax on wages; it's a computed projection on the entire 1040 collected through wages, if the TP chooses this method.

    You can always choose to have no withholding and pay quarterly estimates.

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    Level 3
    October 23, 2021

    Thank you, I thought so just needed to make sure I had the correct response.

    George4Tacks
    Level 15
    October 23, 2021
    I would also engage in a conversation about ROTH IRA contribution and/or rollover. This person is old enough to have an RMD (assuming this is not an inherited IRA which would start another conversation), so they have a shorter period of playing this game. There are also new rules on speed of distribution of inherited IRAs that also should be looked at. I hate simple questions as they also lead me to many more "simple" questions that seem to have complicated answers.
    Answers are easy. Questions are hard!