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dascpa
Level 11
February 19, 2025
Question

Today's Update Messed Up Every 1099-R

  • February 19, 2025
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Need a workaround. 02/19/25 update now requires RMD info on every 1099-R. Don't have this info, cannot get this info and on certain pensions, etc. this does not apply. There isn't enough Fireball to handle this new disaster. 

26 replies

Level 2
February 20, 2025

I e-filed clients a few days ago without any errors. Now when I open their returns, I have errors in them.

A little guidance would be helpful.

Tim

Level 3
February 20, 2025

I just saw it on a return I opened up today, and I had pretty much the same reaction that many people here did.  Here are my thoughts for whatever it's worth.... AND I AM HOPING SOMEONE FROM PROSERIES READS THESE THOUGHTS!!!

a) I also don't necessarily have the RMD information for each client - sometimes they provide it, sometimes they don't, and even if I have it, I'd have to hunt in prior year info, on a 5498 which has a May 31 due date, after tax season, so I may not have received it at all (nor would clients be able to locate it so many months later)

b) making this field mandatory to complete feels like an indication that we, the tax preparers, are responsible for making sure their RMD's are met, by completing these fields.

c) In a very few specific cases, I'm involved with determining RMD's, calculating them, making sure they are met, but its rare. It's not part of the normal tax prep process, I would have to be compensated for this additional layer of responsibility by clients (who usually don't want to see their fees increase)  The custodian or financial adviser is usually who makes sure this is done.

d) that said, I do not ignore it - if the amounts seem in the ballpark, I accept it and move on, or question the client if something seems missing.

e) note that some RMD situations are not straightforward - there are people who draw from a different IRA to cover the RMD in another, there are trusts, for which the RMD involves different IRS tables than the custodian is prepared to use, plus more.  

f) Given these considerations, I really have no choice but to work around it and enter a senseless figure, basically false or unconfirmed information, by inserting a zero or  the amount of the distribution....whatever makes it go away.

In summary, ProSeries should allow preparers to use this field when they have been engaged by the taxpayer (who are ultimately responsible for this) to make sure RMD's are met, but not require tax preparers to do so.

So, ProSeries, in case you are relying on AI or youthful programmers who are unfamiliar with the tax preparation process, that's generally how it works for me and I suspect many others.

Level 8
February 20, 2025

I’ll take the contrarian point of view.  This isn’t a big deal.  It really doesn’t even need a work around. Just enter a zero on Line A and move on.

There are so many bigger issues that Intuit needs to address than this.  Yes, it is frustrating to have a filed return now have errors.  It is also frustrating to have to either close a return or open the state to get a federal form to print after printing the entire return, a problem Intuit has known about now for the second tax season.  Or the deductible mortgage interest worksheet, still not working properly for five tax seasons after working perfectly before that.  For starters, I’d like to see customer service revamped, so I can communicate directly to the second tier level instead of relying on the first tier person’s ability to understand and properly communicate my issue via typing away on a keyboard to an unknown person who knows where in the world.

This matter is small potatoes.  Save the anger for something big.

IRonMaN
Level 15
February 20, 2025

Obviously, someone has been hitting the Fireball early today  😜

Slava Ukraini!
The_AntiTax_Man
Level 7
February 20, 2025

@dascpa  My guess is that Intuit initially made an enhancement to the Turbo Tax software for the self-preparers to alert them of the RMD requirements.  Then somehow Intuit thought that the tax prep pros would think that this would be a great enhancement for ProSeries too.  Ah, that would be a hard no.

IRonMaN
Level 15
February 20, 2025

@The_AntiTax_Man wrote:

@dascpa  My guess is that Intuit initially made an enhancement to the Turbo Tax software for the self-preparers to alert them of the RMD requirements.  Then somehow Intuit thought that the tax prep pros would think that this would be a great enhancement for ProSeries too.  Ah, that would be a hard no.


No, they would want to charge an extra fee for that.  I'm thinking it was like some kind of virus that leaked out of the lab of some mad Intuit scientist. 😳

Slava Ukraini!
Level 3
February 28, 2025

I never considered the Turbo Tax to professional software possibility, I thought they added it as an “enhancement.” I also neglected to realize that an enhancement would never happen for free. I did however briefly entertain a conspiracy theory, that it was done to harvest information about clients for marketing purposes. 

Level 2
February 20, 2025

just check yes above the worksheet and put the full amount distributed on line A of the worksheet.

Who has time to start to decipher this.  One client has 8 1099R's.

Hopefully they fix this error.

Level 4
February 21, 2025

I am just putting 0 in box A "Required RMD amount" for every 1099R I enter and then the error message goes away.  As someone stated earlier it is coming up for every 1099R whether it is a pension or an IRA.  I

IRonMaN
Level 15
February 21, 2025

"was told at one point that I needed to call IRS to find the solution"

That would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad 😞

Slava Ukraini!
Level 3
February 21, 2025

I discovered the issue today.  Hello Proseries is anyone reviewing this thread?  It needs to get fixed asap.  

Level 5
February 21, 2025

In addition to that when you skip from box 1 it doesn't go to the next entry field.  It goes to the verbiage for the entry field requiring you to skip more and waste more time.  Can't skip and enter with the last update on the 1099-R form as well.

Is there a time line in place to fix the latest update?   Mine updates automatically. 

Level 3
February 25, 2025

Yes, I complained to my son, who is also a CPA that the program was doing the key entry thing and he told me to suck it up he's got bigger problems!!!

 

Level 4
February 21, 2025

I was going crazy because my client is receiving from a 401-A. There is no balance, he gets it until he dies. I finally lost all patience trying to figure it out and put a 0 (zero) on line A on the RMD worksheet. Now the program seems happy.

Level 2
February 21, 2025

This needs to be fixed immediately!  This is completely unacceptable!

Level 8
February 21, 2025

Just put a zero on Line A.  This really isn't an issue.

HyacinthClare
Level 3
February 21, 2025

That works, Frustrated, and I'm doing it, but it's not TRUE in some cases.  I've never before put something on a tax return I KNEW wasn't true.  

Level 2
February 22, 2025

When will we see this removed!?  

I can't finish any tax returns. 

IRonMaN
Level 15
February 22, 2025

Out of curiosity, have you read the above posts?  Entering zero seems to allow everyone else to complete their returns.

Slava Ukraini!
HyacinthClare
Level 3
February 22, 2025

I've read them all through Thursday.  Zero works like a charm.  Except a bunch of these 1099-Rs ARE RMDs, including my husband's.  RMD isn't zero.   Neither my clients or I have a clue what it actually was last year because it's not on the 1099-R and we haven't called Schwab or Edward Jones to ask.  We're all hoping (I think) that ProSeries goes "never mind" and takes that requirement off the page, but at the moment it's still there if the client has reached RMD age.   If (God forbid) it's something we REALLY have to report for up-to-now-completely-unknown reasons, I've filed tax returns with a factual error, and I knew it was an error when I did it.  People are jumping in my chili about making a big deal about this, but I'm not happy about doing that.  I AM doing it!  I just don't like it at all.  

Over and out.  I hope somebody waves a flag if ProSeries corrects their correction.  I've said my piece and I'm going back to work.  Happy tax returns to all of you.