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Jim-from-Ohio
Intuit Community Champion
May 9, 2023
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Real estate sale question

  • May 9, 2023
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I posted this on the fb ProSeries users page and still getting opposing answers.  Anyone ever see something like this:

Husand and wife owned a home for 50 years. Husband died 20 years ago so wife was on the deed alone. Someone told her 20 years ago to add her three children to the deed. So at this point four people on the deed, 25% each.
 
Fast forward to tax year 2022. Mother still alive and house sells for $ 400,000. Total basis in house was $ 150,000, Gain was $ 250,000 which under normal situation would be totally tax free. The twist is there were four 1099s issued, each for $ 100,000.
 
On mothers tax return there is no issue. On the three children the IRS will be looking for the proceeds of $ 100,000 and the question of basis of course comes up. The spirit of the gain exlusion was met but the three children did not live in that house. Should these 1099s even have been issued?
 
The fact that there were 1099s issued though is there any leg to stand on to put the cost basis to equal the selling price for the three children so the gain is zero on the three childrens' returns.
The total gain was not more than $ 250,000 so if mother did not follow that advice 20 years ago this would be a totally tax free event. I know the two of five year rule and all that. I am just asking if anyone has ever seen this before and if there is any leg to stand on to showing the three children break even on the 1099. Thank you.

 

Since I posted that at fb someone mentioned inceasing cost basis of children by 1/2 of the step of in value when father passed away.  

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BobKamman
Level 15
May 9, 2023

We see it all the time from practitioners of hillbilly probate.  Whenever the story starts with "someone told her," you know there is not going to be a happy ending.  When you write "the spirit was met," a better way to say it would be "substance over form."  Did Mom continue to make all the payments on the house -- taxes, insurance, maintenance, mortgage if there was one?  That shows substance. 

Whenever the story doesn't include "before the sale the family asked us how to avoid potential tax consequences," you know there is not going to be a happy ending.  The kids signed the deed, and asked no questions.  The kids cashed the checks, and asked no questions.  (Did they deposit the funds in Mom's bank account?)  When they received the 1099-S, did they then issue a nominee 1099-S to Mom?  

Jim-from-Ohio
Intuit Community Champion
May 9, 2023

Thank you Bob for your insight.  The mother continued to make the payments and keep up the house.. The children really had nothing to do with the house.  I think they got bad advice 20 years ago.  The  $  250,000 rule was in place already by then so whoever suggested that as an idea should have known about it.  There was no 1099-nominee issued.  I will check if the children received the funds.  

Level 15
May 9, 2023

You need to figure out if there is an Implied Life Estate.

Was the understanding that the mom had full control and responsibility of the home, without the kids input?  Did the kids use the home? Did the kids receive any of the proceeds from the sale?  

Jim-from-Ohio
Intuit Community Champion
May 9, 2023

Thank you Bill for your insight.. mom had full control of the house without the kids' input.  Kids did not use the home.  I think they got some of the proceeds.. will check with client.

Level 15
May 9, 2023

Edit:  I was multi-tasking and was responding as if mom had died.  It would still be taxable to the kids even if it was a Life Estate, according to their percentages based on the actuarial tables.

 

Receiving some of the proceeds may mess things up.  It may be difficult to claim a Life Estate when the kids benefited from the sale (in other words, it was not 100% mom's property).

*IF* it was a Life Estate, it all goes on mom's return, nothing on kids' returns (other than the possible reporting the 1099-S and backing it out to avoid an IRS notice).

If it was NOT a Life Estate, it is split between the owners and kids pay taxes.  But not at 25% each - it is divided based on the IRS actuary tables for a Life Estate.  As you mentioned, there would be step up in Basis when the dad died (either 100% or 50%).

Just-Lisa-Now-
Intuit Community Champion
May 9, 2023

Did the stepped up basis from Dads date of death get factored in here?   Is it a Community Property state?

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Jim-from-Ohio
Intuit Community Champion
May 9, 2023

 this is Ohio, not a community property state.  I am not sure how to get the new basis 20 years ago.

FMV then or just half of increase?  

 

BobKamman
Level 15
May 9, 2023

Was it even in both names?  Back then men were men and women were often not even on the deed.