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PATAX
Level 12
September 5, 2024
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CTA BOI Survey for All

  • September 5, 2024
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Just wondering what you all are going to do since we are approaching the deadline here in  four months I believe. From what I have seen myself on forums it looks like most CPAs and tax professionals are apparently not going to prepare this, but I may be wrong. I am leaning against it as of now. The 30-day provision to notify when there are changes I believe, the steep ridiculous penalties, and apparent reluctance of some insurance companies to cover this, are just three of the factors that are discouraging me from getting involved with this. If I do not get involved with this then I will be sending a letter out to business clients letting them know that they are responsible for this. If I did get involved with it then I would prepare an iron clad engagement letter separately for this CTA/BOI so I would not be responsible for any penalties. What are all of you guys and girls going to do? Thanks.

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Best answer by PATAX

Thank you to all for responding. Each will have to make his or her own decision on what they feel is best. And that is the best answer.

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Level 6
September 6, 2024

We are leaning towards your thoughts.  We are hoping not but afraid to say never!  (Seems like it always comes back to bite you.)

IRonMaN
Level 15
September 6, 2024

We are in the process of coming up with a list of who to touch base with to see if they are aware of the requirement.  For those that we feel are bright enough to figure out how to do it, we will be available to assist as needed.  But we have some clients that would struggle if we asked them to spell their name.  For those folks, we will prepare the form for them.

Slava Ukraini!
Jim-from-Ohio
Intuit Community Champion
September 6, 2024

I am waiting one more month to see if it gets repealed.  I already have an email drafted up outling the steps businesses need to do to be in compliance.  I will give them a choice, sending them the link to file themselves or if they email a picture of their drivers license I can file it for them.  Fee wise, I have an idea of what I will charge but the amount I was considering keeps going up.

PATAX
PATAXAuthor
Level 12
September 7, 2024

@Jim-from-Ohio I just read an article about Congress coming back in session this month. The article listed five items at the top of their agenda. The article did not list the repeal of CTA/BOI.

sjrcpa
Level 15
September 6, 2024

We are not preparing them. We advise clients to:

a.To do it themselves

b.Have their business attorney do it

or c . use one of the companies that do it

The more I know the more I don’t know.
IRonMaN
Level 15
September 6, 2024

We are batting .500 with attorneys.  I had an attorney call about a client that has several partnerships and asked if we were filing for them.  I asked if they filed the form for their clients and she said yes, so I said it is all yours.  We had another attorney tell the client to have us file it for them.

Slava Ukraini!
sjrcpa
Level 15
September 6, 2024

I haven't experienced  that, yet    .

The more I know the more I don’t know.
BobKamman
Level 15
September 7, 2024

It's not going to be repealed, because Congress probably won't even be able to pass any spending bills beyond a short extension, and even then maybe not until after a brief shutdown October 1.  

Some of the opponents remind me of the medieval peasants who never journeyed more than 50 miles beyond their place of birth.  Much of the rest of the free world has enacted stricter rules, including public disclosure of reported data.  Because they believe in transparency.  Mostly, because they think it helps fight terrorism.  If the isolationists gain control of our government, abandon NATO and shrug at threats from the Iranian-Chinese alliance, maybe it will be repealed. But not this year.  

Can anyone name any candidate for federal office, from President on down, who has mentioned this as a campaign issue?  No? I didn't think so.  Grumble as much as you want, and then tell your clients either you're going to help them, or you're not.  

PATAX
PATAXAuthor
Level 12
September 7, 2024

@BobKamman I give you a thumbs up for the part that it's probably not going to be repealed.

Level 3
September 7, 2024

I sent out an email to my affected clients in June to give them the information and where they can go to do their filing.  I will not be offering to do these filings.  But I will probably send them a reminder in October.

PATAX
PATAXAuthor
Level 12
September 7, 2024

@TaxToad I have an existing 1040 client that is going to start a business as of January 1st 2025. He has an attorney taking care of everything, including applying for the federal Ein and the tax ID numbers, which is great. I told him to make sure the attorney takes care of the CTA BOI. I told him more than once. I called him yesterday, and sure enough he said he forgot to tell the attorney about CTA BOI. I have a feeling this is going to happen even if people send out letters and tell them to do it themselves or go to an attorney or a third party that specializes in this. But what do I know?

PATAX
PATAXAuthorAnswer
Level 12
September 8, 2024

Thank you to all for responding. Each will have to make his or her own decision on what they feel is best. And that is the best answer.

BobKamman
Level 15
September 8, 2024

So some CPA's are worried about this being considered the unauthorized practice of law?  Reminds me of the issue decided by New York's highest court (Court of Appeals) 75 years ago.  From July 20, 1949:

IRonMaN
Level 15
September 9, 2024

That type of threat doesn’t bother me.  I’ve been practicing law for years and a lot of my legal advice is better than some of our local attorneys.  😉

Slava Ukraini!
Jim-from-Ohio
Intuit Community Champion
September 12, 2024
dd4vols
Intuit Community Champion
November 16, 2024

We probably have about 80-100 clients that will need to file the BOI report. We just sent out a letter to all those clients, highlighting the possible $10k fine, assuring them that it is not a scam, and asking them to provide us with a legible picture of their current driver's license (we don't have many world travelers in rural West Tennessee), by December 1. We briefly mentioned the government intrusion in requiring this, but it must be done (which DOES play to our clientele greatly).

I expect every one of them to provide us with the pic and be ultra glad that I have saved them $10k.  We are bouncing around the $250 price tag...which isn't bad for the real 30 minutes of input time.

 

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IRonMaN
Level 15
November 16, 2024

The $250 is roughly about $250 more than I charged for the couple that I did.  But they took me less than 15 minutes so that could be why my price is cheaper.  A couple of clients have been in for other things and I took care of the BOI while I had them cornered. 😜

Slava Ukraini!
dd4vols
Intuit Community Champion
November 16, 2024

@IRonMaN ,Your Heart of Gold is showing!!

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BobKamman
Level 15
November 16, 2024

I thought the organization representing Homeowner Associations had a good case, but I see it was not successful in suing for a preliminary injunction. 

https://www.wolterskluwer.com/en/expert-insights/federal-district-court-in-virginia-denies-motion-for-preliminary-injunction-in-cta-lawsuit

Same result in an Oregon case, where the seven individual plaintiffs were arguing, among other reasons, that BOI violates the Fifth Amendment rights of cannabis dealers and undocumented immigrants who own businesses allowed by state law. 

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=15407035756566698089&q=Firestone+v.+Yellen&hl=en&as_sdt=806&as_vis=1 

PATAX
PATAXAuthor
Level 12
November 17, 2024

Per recent news article: "...pave the way for my (President Trump) Administration to dismantle Government Bureaucracy, slash excess regulations, cut wasteful expenditures, ...." President Trump said in a statement concerning the new Department of Government Efficiency. Therefore, there is a possibility that cta/boi may be extended or rescinded, but whether this will occur is unknown, and since it is already near deadline, I personally doubt if it will be extended or rescinded.

BobKamman
Level 15
November 17, 2024

“Dirty money underpins corruption, crime and conflict. It causes immense harm at home and abroad, enabling serious and organized crime and diverting resources needed for vital public services. Public registers, and the scrutiny that they bring, are the best antidote to the scourge of illicit finance. These registers – disclosing the ultimate owners of companies and assets – help us to follow the money and identify wrongdoing. If implemented, registers would bring to an end decades of secrecy . . .This common-sense measure has strong support across the business community as a crucial measure to promote good corporate behavior.”

Well, that’s what our British allies are reading in their newspaper this morning. Congress enacted BOI before the current trend of isolationism in American foreign policy. Soon will we be seeing billboards demanding “Get the US out of BOI and BOI out of the US” ?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/17/open-registers-only-way-stop-dirty-money-crime