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Level 5
September 23, 2025
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Failure to File v. Failure to Pay

  • September 23, 2025
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I screwed up and didn't file an extension.

His total tax due was $23,000 which he paid in July when I was done.

Now the IRS is charging him penalties of $3000.

How much of that is failure to file and how much is failure to pay on time?

He is demanding that I pay him the full $3000 penalties, which I am not going to do.

What case can I make that my obligation is $200 (or some small amount) and he owes the balance because he didn't pay his taxes on time.

Thanks in advance, Christopher

Thanks in advance, Christopher

5 replies

sjrcpa
Level 15
September 23, 2025

The letter imposing penalties and interest specifies failure to file and failure to pay.

The more I know the more I don’t know.
chapguy19Author
Level 5
September 23, 2025

He only forwarded my the first page of the CP-14.

Don't have the penalties broken out.

Practitioner Priority couldn't figure it out.

IRonMaN
Level 15
September 23, 2025

Did he ask you to file an extension and you forgot or do you normally file extensions for some clients out of courtesy and this one just got missed on your list?

Slava Ukraini!
chapguy19Author
Level 5
September 23, 2025

He paid me to do the extension and I just dropped the ball.

abctax55
Level 15
September 23, 2025

1) Plug in the $23000 as paid with the extension.  Compare the math.... then take that info out.

2) Review the F 2210

3) In Lacerte, there's a place to enter 'compute late filing penalty'.... if PTO has that, take it out or override it. 

And I'm curious as to the answer to Jeff's questions.  Plus, did this client stay in contact during the year so that the $ 23000 owed was anticipated?

HumanKind... Be Both
chapguy19Author
Level 5
September 23, 2025

Client didn't contact me until a week before the April deadline.

I typically don't chase clients down in April.

Been doing his taxes for a few years now but wouldn't recognize him even if he walked in the door.

BobKamman
Level 15
September 23, 2025

Isn't it all failure to file for the first five months, and then the 1/2% failure to pay kicks in?

But the first thing to do is find out if he qualifies for "first time abatement."  

I'm not sure that "reliance on negligent preparer" works as reasonable cause these days, but it's worth a try if FTA is not available.   

chapguy19Author
Level 5
September 23, 2025

I will try for another FTA using the "reliance on negligent preparer".

I've talked with two at the IRS and they have given me two different reasons for a FTA decline.

BobKamman
Level 15
September 23, 2025

The Internal Revenue Manual doesn't provide much wriggle room, but it doesn't say absolutely not.  It's worth a try.  I'd make a written request, signed by him under penalty of perjury, but also including a statement from you, signed under penalty of perjury, that this was a rare occurrence and that you have updated your office procedures to avoid the same oversight in the future. 

I mean, it's not like he didn't report a sack of $50,000 cash he received.

20.1.1.3.2.2.5 (11-21-2017)
Erroneous Advice or Reliance
Each request for penalty relief should be reviewed thoroughly to determine the exact basis of the taxpayer's request.
Is the taxpayer claiming they did not comply due to specific advice they received from someone, whether orally or in writing, or
Is the taxpayer claiming they relied on someone else to comply on their behalf?
Certain sections of the IRC and Treasury Regulations provide relief from certain penalties based on erroneous advice. See IRM 20.1.1.3.3.4, Advice, to first determine if a statutory exception or administrative waiver applies.
If the taxpayer states they relied on written or oral advice from the IRS but does not qualify for relief in accordance with the criteria in IRM 20.1.1.3.3.4.1, Written Advice From the IRS, or IRM 20.1.1.3.3.4.2, Oral Advice From the IRS, refer to IRM 20.1.1.3.2.2, Ordinary Business Care and Prudence, to determine if the taxpayer exercised ordinary business care and prudence in relying on the IRS's advice.
The taxpayer may try to establish reasonable cause by claiming they relied on another party to comply on their behalf. Generally, this is not a basis for reasonable cause, particularly for filing or paying obligations, since the taxpayer is responsible for meeting their tax obligations and that responsibility cannot be delegated. However, other factors to consider include:
Was the taxpayer unable to comply because they did not have access to their own records? See IRM 20.1.1.3.2.2.3, Unable to Obtain Records.
Was the failure to comply due to a change in the tax law the taxpayer could not reasonably be expected to know? See IRM 20.1.1.3.2.2.6, Ignorance of the Law.
Consider all facts and circumstances presented by the taxpayer to determine if, despite the exercise of ordinary business care and prudence, the taxpayer nevertheless was unable to comply.