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December 7, 2019
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Shouldn't QBI be reduced by Sec 179 depreciation on a pass through entity. It is not happening with an S Corporation on the partners K-1?

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The Lacerte program is showing the QBI at the shareholder level without regard for the Sec 179 expense.

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Best answer by Kathi_at_Intuit

Hi thanks for stopping by the community. This was reported and is currently being researched by our tax development team.  They expect to update the calculations to include Section 179 in a release scheduled later this week. Please visit our Unexpected Behaviors section of Accountants Community for more information and to sign up to receive alerts on this an any other issue being researched.

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Kathi_at_Intuit
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December 7, 2019

Hi thanks for stopping by the community. This was reported and is currently being researched by our tax development team.  They expect to update the calculations to include Section 179 in a release scheduled later this week. Please visit our Unexpected Behaviors section of Accountants Community for more information and to sign up to receive alerts on this an any other issue being researched.

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https://accountants-community.intuit.com/browse/lacerte-unexpected_behaviors

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itonewbie
Level 15
December 7, 2019
@Kathi_at_Intuit This is not working in PTO either.  Probably because it uses the same tax logic.  Could you please take a look?  Seems to be ok with 1065 though.  Thanks!
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itonewbie
Level 15
December 7, 2019

I thought this through again and still believe that charitable contributions would not be consider a QBI item attributable to a trade or business.

There is no question that it is a flow-through from the S-corp and would otherwise be deductible, subject to limitations, to the corporation in computing its taxable income had it not been an S-corp.  However, if we were to refer to §1366(b) and §1.1366-1(b), it is clearly stipulated that "the character of any item... is determined for the S corporation and retains that character in the hands of the shareholder."

It is accepted and recognized that the mere existence of an S-corp does not automatically equate to the operation of a trade or business.  For example, an S-corp could be engaged in rental activities and the rental income passed through to the shareholder(s) must still be characterized as passive income subject to §469 unless those activities rise to the level of §162 trade or business.  It is, therefore, entirely possible that an s-corp item is not attributable to a trade or business.

In determining the amount deductible for charitable contributions and gifts, §162, which governs deductions for trade or business expenses, does not refer to §170 just for the limitation but specifically ***excepted*** charitable contributions and gifts from subsection (a).  In contrast, §179(b)(3) stipulates that "the amount allowed as a deduction... shall not exceed the aggregate amount of taxable income of the taxpayer for such taxable year which is derived from the active conduct by the taxpayer of any ***trade or business*** during such taxable year."

In conclusion, IMHO, we should differentiate the treatment of charitable contributions flowing through from an S-corp, as being an item not attributable to a trade or business, from §179 allowed which retains the character of being a trade or business expense and, therefore, constitute a QBI item.

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itonewbie
Level 15
December 7, 2019
@mneath Please feel free to share your thoughts.
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