Need Ponzi scheme Revenue Ruling

Forum|Forum|6 years ago
December 7, 2019
1 reply
19 views

My client was fraudulently induced to withdraw $130,000 from her IRA in 2017 by a broker who stole her money. She endorsed the paper check over to a phony self directed IRA custodian. When I told her she was a victim of a Ponzi scheme she hired a law firm. The broker and his cronies are part of a $103,000,000 SEC investigation. The broker was barred and the company that employed him gave her a $65,000 settlement in mediation for failure to supervise him. After the lawyers take, she was able to make a restorative payment of $37,000 to her IRA. I reported the $130,000 as an indirect IRA rollover since the 1099 said the taxable amount on the withdrawal was undetermined. Now IRS wants to tax her on the $130,000 per the letter she received today. I can't find a revenue ruling for her. She doesn't want to take a tax loss which all the Rev Ruling apply. I know she can avoid the tax on the $37,000 which was restorative payment and the amount the lawyer took. But what about the other $65,000 which she has little chance to recover?

Lacerte Tax

This topic has been closed for replies.

Best answer by George4Tacks

From your description I am assuming all of this fraud existed on IRA funds. As such the loss is a reduction of the IRA value. Put money into an IRA, you get a deduction (at least partially) and the client needs to determine their non deductible IRA basis. When there is an IRA distribution, all (or some) of that distribution is taxable. I don't hear that there was a a distribution. Essentially the client bought some bogus scheme (in their IRA) and the value of their IRA declined $65,000 due to that bad investment. That just becomes part of the long story.

For what year is IRS looking for tax? In 2017, did the $130,000 REALLY get rolled into an IRA? If NOT, then $130,000 less basis is taxable. If it was rolled over, then no tax until the distribution. The story, as you have written it is incomplete.

George4TacksAnswer

Level 15

From your description I am assuming all of this fraud existed on IRA funds. As such the loss is a reduction of the IRA value. Put money into an IRA, you get a deduction (at least partially) and the client needs to determine their non deductible IRA basis. When there is an IRA distribution, all (or some) of that distribution is taxable. I don't hear that there was a a distribution. Essentially the client bought some bogus scheme (in their IRA) and the value of their IRA declined $65,000 due to that bad investment. That just becomes part of the long story.

For what year is IRS looking for tax? In 2017, did the $130,000 REALLY get rolled into an IRA? If NOT, then $130,000 less basis is taxable. If it was rolled over, then no tax until the distribution. The story, as you have written it is incomplete.

Answers are easy. Questions are hard!

C

CatbrotherAuthor

Level 3

I'm sorry I was incomplete. My client had a stock broker who setup her traditional IRA which had no basis. He called her to tell her he was retiring and had sold his business to a broker who she should trust. Within days the new broker called her to solicit her to roll her IRA into a better investment. The referring broker has since been barred from the securities industry for his illegal activity with this Ponzi scheme. My client met with the new broker who had a withdrawal form filled out for her to sign. He told her to call him when the check arrived. He came to her house and had her endorse the check over to "Quest IRA" FBO her name. The check cleared her account. The broker later had her sign a phony IRA application and a subscription to a phony promissory note issued by First Nationle Solution. When I met her in March as usual to do her 2017 taxes, I saw the 1099 for the $130,000 withdrawal with the taxable amount shown as not determined. She had brought the other documents she had been mailed. Five minutes of Googling confirmed what I suspected and I told her she had been defrauded and was a victim of a Ponzi scheme. I referred her to attorney who has represent a number of the victim in this $103,000,00 scheme that SEC shut down in June of 2018. The FBI indictments are pending on these men who defrauded over 600 investors. The attorney filed a complaint against the Broker/Dealer who employed her retiring broker. After months they settled for $65,000 in mediation for half her loss. The attorney took his contingency fees and she received $37,000. I worked with her and her IRA custodian and she was able to deposit a "restorative payment" of the $37,000 in to her existing legitimate IRA. So to answer your question no she did not roll it because the company she thought would receive the money as custodian never got the money. It was diverted to the crooked broker. The check was deposited in an account held by a phony company, First Nationle Solution and controlled by the broker. I have the copy of the endorsed check. IRS allows Restorative Payments for taxpayers who are victims of this kind of fraud. So it will be easy for me to protect the $37,000 from tax as it is back in the IRA. But what about the rest? Can she use other funds to restore the $28,000 she was awarded in mediation but was paid over to the law firm before she received her $37,000? And what about the $65,000 lost to the fraud? The SEC investigation states the money taken was spent on lavish living and little to no assets exist with which to restore victims. I can seek a Private Letter Ruling, but there should be an easier way to help this 75 year old woman. Any ideas?

Sign up

Login with SSO

Let's get you signed in

Login with SSO