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September 26, 2024
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Irrevocable Trust and 645 election

  • September 26, 2024
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Decedent and grantor died March 30, 2023.  The trust has become irrevocable, and it has been funded with stocks. An EIN has been granted.  No distributions have been made.

1.  I am thinking of making the 645 election so that a Fiscal Year can be elected in order to more time to prepare the tax return. But if there is no estate tax return required, can a 645 election be made?

 

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Best answer by PhoebeRoberts

Yes, you can still make the 645 election. All the ones I've had recently, both the trust and estate already had an EIN by the time I got involved; I'd have to re-read the instructions to see if you need to get an estate EIN as well as the trust EIN.

The advantages I see to the election are: 1) better chance that you'll be able to file a first-and-final return and 2) the benes get an extra year to pay the tax. I hate fiscal year entities that are ongoing; they need extensions at times I'm not thinking about extensions, and guesses as to how much of the dividends will end up being qualified.

If it were my client, my advice would be to try to get everything wrapped up by 12/31 if possible. 

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Level 10
September 26, 2024

The Tax Adviser has my answer. Bolded.

 Sec. 645 election will remain in force for (1) two years if no estate tax return is required to be filed, or (2) the earlier of the date the trust and estate have distributed all of their assets or the day before the later of (a) two years following the date of the decedent's death or (b) six months after determination of the estate's final estate tax liability, if an estate tax return is required to be filed (Reg. Sec. 1.645-1(f)). During the election period

PhoebeRoberts
Intuit Community Champion
September 26, 2024

Yes, you can still make the 645 election. All the ones I've had recently, both the trust and estate already had an EIN by the time I got involved; I'd have to re-read the instructions to see if you need to get an estate EIN as well as the trust EIN.

The advantages I see to the election are: 1) better chance that you'll be able to file a first-and-final return and 2) the benes get an extra year to pay the tax. I hate fiscal year entities that are ongoing; they need extensions at times I'm not thinking about extensions, and guesses as to how much of the dividends will end up being qualified.

If it were my client, my advice would be to try to get everything wrapped up by 12/31 if possible. 

Level 10
September 26, 2024

Thank you Phoebe.