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I have a client that moved money they had in an IRA to an IRA in a different bank. They received a 1099-R from the bank it was moved from with a code '7' in box 7. They deposited the money themselves into the other IRA within the proper time frame,

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I have a client that moved money they had in an IRA to an IRA in a different bank. They received a 1099-R from the bank it was moved from with a code '7' in box 7. They deposited the money themselves into the other IRA within the proper time frame, but did not receive a 1099-R from them, only a Form 5498 showing the rollover contributions in box 2. How should this be input in lacerte?

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    Best answer by abctax55

    The F 1099-R is for *money out*.

    The F 5498 is for *money in* - you don't get a F 1099-R for that.

    As this was an indirect roll-over - you have to tell the software that.  

    edit - it's under "Sections" on the left side, down to *Rollovers* > indirect.

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    abctax55
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    Level 15
    June 9, 2024

    The F 1099-R is for *money out*.

    The F 5498 is for *money in* - you don't get a F 1099-R for that.

    As this was an indirect roll-over - you have to tell the software that.  

    edit - it's under "Sections" on the left side, down to *Rollovers* > indirect.

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    qbteachmt
    Level 15
    June 9, 2024

    Since the client handled the money transfer themselves, you will need to confirm the gross from the 1099-R is the amount deposited as seen on the Form 5498, and it meets the rollover timeframe. Typically, if the check was in the hands of the taxpayer and payable to the taxpayer, there would have been required withholding. The taxpayer would need to redeposit that amount in full, in other words, making up the difference because of the withholding.

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    BobKamman
    Level 15
    June 9, 2024

    Didn't we have this discussion recently?  There is no required withholding on IRA distributions.  

    qbteachmt
    Level 15
    June 9, 2024

    The withholding scenario is affected by direct or indirect and how the payee is listed for indirect and how the paperwork is filled out. Yes, there is a default of withholding.

    https://www.irs.gov/retirement-plans/plan-participant-employee/rollovers-of-retirement-plan-and-ira-distributions

    "Will taxes be withheld from my distribution?

    • IRAs: An IRA distribution paid to you is subject to 10% withholding unless you elect out of withholding or choose to have a different amount withheld. You can avoid withholding taxes if you choose to do a trustee-to-trustee transfer to another IRA.
       
    • Retirement plans: A retirement plan distribution paid to you is subject to mandatory withholding of 20%, even if you intend to roll it over later. Withholding does not apply if you roll over the amount directly to another retirement plan or to an IRA. A distribution sent to you in the form of a check payable to the receiving plan or IRA is not subject to withholding.

    How much can I roll over if taxes were withheld from my distribution?

    If you have not elected a direct rollover, in the case of a distribution from a retirement plan, or you have not elected out of withholding in the case of a distribution from an IRA, your plan administrator or IRA trustee will withhold taxes from your distribution. If you later roll the distribution over within 60 days, you must use other funds to make up for the amount withheld."

    Always do due diligence.

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    Accountant-Man
    Level 13
    June 12, 2024

    Assuming that this occurred in 2023, be prepared with the 1099-R, the 5498 hopefully showing the date of deposit, and the cover letter to the IRS coming approximately 16 months after April 2024 in order to respond to the IRS' CP2000. The IRS gets the 1099-R showing the distribution with Code 7.

    The IRS cannot match the 5498.

    THEY WILL tell you tax is due. TAXPAYER MUST PROVE that the rollover was completed within 60 days of the distribution.

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    BobKamman
    Level 15
    June 12, 2024

    This happens thousands of times each year and if the rollover is reported correctly on the tax return, IRS will not issue a CP-2000.

    Accountant-Man
    Level 13
    June 12, 2024

    Agree to disagree, Bob. The 1099-R Code 7 does not show that the rollover happened within 60 days.

    Neither does the 5498.

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