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Drphibes
Level 6
February 13, 2021
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Form 3903 e-file error when only for CA return

  • February 13, 2021
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Have a full year CA client with valid CA moving expenses and enter in 3903 amounts in moving expenses in Lacerte.  Getting a Fed error for e-filing and that I need to paper file Fed.  Nothing is entered but the expenses, no other boxes checked.  This should not be the case.  Anybody know if I am missing something or another programming oops?

 

Thanks in advance.

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Best answer by IntuitBettyJo

Hi there, 

So the 3903 is an interesting case for CA. The Federal does not allow the 3903 except in the case of being a military move — CA allows it otherwise.  The problem is that CA requires the federal return be included and pass validation. But, federal validation will fail if the 3903 is there without the "Armed forces move due to permanent change of station". So even if you send CA only, it will fail validation because of the required copy of the federal failing validation because that field isn't marked. That's why the diagnostic states you have to paper file.

Hope this helps clear it up.

-Betty Jo 


Ok I'm back, 

@alan @Drphibes the issue is that the federal e-file requires the Armed forces checkbox to pass validation. California requires a copy of the Federal return in xml format and that it pass validation at their center. Since the Federal will always fail, and California always requires the Federal be attached and pass validation, a CA return with the 3903 will always fail. The federal schema was updated this year to require that checkbox, which is why you are seeing this and haven't had the issue in the past. 

Hope this helps clear up why you are required to paper file unlike prior years. 

-Betty Jo 

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George4Tacks
Level 15
February 13, 2021

I believe what you are looking at is Informational Diagnostics. Simply check it off and go on. It is intended to be helpful, in the IRS does allow 3903 is some circumstances. 

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Drphibes
DrphibesAuthor
Level 6
February 14, 2021

I really wish people would try things before commenting.  Latest version of Lacerte, moving expenses (legit move within CA) with no boxes checked on the 3903 input screen.  When calc'd, gives a critical 3903 e-file Fed diagnostic saying the return must be paper filed due to the 3903.  This should not be a critical, it should be ignored for Federal and allowed for CA or give us a check box saying for state only or something.

George4Tacks
Level 15
February 14, 2021

I did try this before commenting. I got a different result than you did. You can use Ctrl + L to open an e-mail with support to have them investigate what appears to be an unexpected behavior. You can attach a copy of the return for them to look at. 

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